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The topic is: Carlisle United
kynson> Ok, let's try that again!
kynson> Good morning!
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kynson> er, you having trouble too then?
[Gibby1] Good Morning
[Gibby1] yep
kynson> sheesh :-(
kynson> i forget your real name, sorry.
kynson> I'm Dave
[Gibby1] I'm Richard
kynson> so, cufc in the shitter now, then
[Gibby1] looks like it
[Gibby1] Knighton out campaign?
kynson> I have to say that this is the first year that I really feel like it
- is over and that wea re down.
kynson> But who would take over from him?
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[Gibby1] Anyone would do realy, even Jenkins
kynson> I think he is on his way anyway, if the reports of his protperty
- offloading are true.
kynson> moring Al
[cufconline] Morning all
cufconline> Did anyone hear a full commentary from Cardiff?
[Gibby1] Nigel Pearson should go just because of the way Mk has hamstrung
- him
[Gibby1] No
[kynson] i think that all in all, his reign has been good for the club.
- financially we are secure and with some good luck we will avoid the drop
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cufconline> Sounds like we were a bit unlucky - again
cufconline> We'll see how the votes stack up in my poll on MK -currently
- neck & neck
[paulclements] howay lads.........what happened to the commentary
- yesterday......
[kynson] i was at work all day yesterday, i caught the last 15 minutes on
- the radio and popped in to the chat room for the last 5. we seemed to be all
- over them at that point
[paulclements] is everybody just giving up...........
[Gibby1] The guy that used to be Bradford Manager said on Sky sports that if
- we could score again we could probably step up a gear
[kynson] there was no on here when i popped in
[paulclements] chris kamara
cufconline> At least the new signing proved he could score
[Gibby1] thats the man
[kynson] aye
[Gibby1] Caigy for £5,000
[kynson] lacey seemed to be suggesting the goals were knight's fault
[paulclements] according to your poll 50% think MK has been good for CUFC
- !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[paulclements] why
[kynson] criminal - we should have kept caig to the end of the season, that
- was easily worth the £5k
cufconline> And 50% think he's not
[paulclements] aye
[paulclements] what is a nominal fee....
[kynson] at the risk of getting flamed, i still say he was good for us
- overall, bad for us at the moment though
[Gibby1] I agree
[kynson] to which?
cufconline> Overall, he has been a good thing as we might not be here now
- but for him
[Gibby1] 2 promotions, 2 Wembley appearances, 2 relegations, not bad going
[paulclements] boertien...nominal fee ???....shurely some mishtake
- ??????????
cufconline> The Guardian reported a nominal fee for Boertien - a mistake I
- expect...
[kynson] in the final analysis, though, the only difference between now and
- then is that we are more financially secure now (or perhaps the books have
- been cooked?)
cufconline> Or has all the money gone to MK Holdings in a tax dodge?
[paulclements] have cufc got some link with derby ?????
[Gibby1] Is Knight's move permanent or Loan
[kynson] i think the nominal fee referred to caig and they got mixed up
[paulclements] as you said Al we give them our best players and they loan us
- their worst
[Gibby1] Yep
[kynson] unofficially, i think there is a player swapping agreement with
- derby (and clydebank ?-))
[kynson] Carlisle Bankies next season, then?
cufconline> Seems like MK does want to turn us into a nursery club
[Gibby1] hope not
[paulclements] Watch out for the bogs at montrose....
cufconline> What would we be called ? Carbank United ??
[Gibby1] if it helps for survival it could be a good idea
[Gibby1] good name
[kynson] that is the suggestion, i think
cufconline> Or Clyde Lisle ? Sounds like a west Indian cricketer!
[paulclements] take the C from clydebank and the arlisle from
- Carlise.....Carlise !!
[kynson] i am doing a big write up on this for my april issue. perhaps we
- could use the www.cufc.com to coordinate the fight?
cufconline> Most bankies think we'll be called Carlisle United, I reckon
[Gibby1] Anybody want to chip in and we'll hire a hitman and target the
- whole board?
[paulclements] why fight it....i think its a great idea
cufconline> I had another bloke from falkirk email me to say he thought it
- was a good idea - for Falkirk
[kynson] i think it is a good idea for The Club, perhaps so for some of the
- fans for travelling, but how many of the faithful 1,500 will continue to go?
[paulclements] eh
cufconline> He was sick of watching St Mirren and co each week
[Gibby1] why don't we just merge with the rest of the Scottish League their
- all shite and in financial difficulty
[kynson] I was thinking of quoting a few people from the list and in here in
- my article.
[paulclements] We have Inverness and Ross County up here...they are both
- further away than Carlisle
[PRIVATE FROM kynson] al, alright to use your polls inmy article?
TO kynson> No problem
[Gibby1] They can't play half their games during the winter
[paulclements] aye
[kynson] I was up in edinburgh at a microsoft technet briefing on thursday
- and it made me realise just how easy away games would be.
cufconline> Did you notice yours truly was quoted in the paper this week?
[paulclements] who....where
[Gibby1] what paper?
cufconline> My email message was put in the News & Star. So was Lee
- Gardner's
[PRIVATE FROM kynson] could you email me the percentages on tuesday night,
- please?
[Gibby1] Power to the Pepole
[paulclements] peepole
TO kynson> I'll post the results Monday night to the list when I close the
- poll
[kynson] i never saw it - i've been too busy this week to get the paper and
- read it.
[PRIVATE FROM kynson] ok, thanks.
[Gibby1] So do you get a tenner then?
[paulclements] Whats happened to the commentary's ??....nobody seems
- interested anymore
cufconline> I was just asking fans to come back to BP to back the Blues, as
- was Lee, basically
[kynson] i actually had a full day i work yesterday
cufconline> People can't always get online to do them, that's the problem
[kynson] so i missed doing the commentary
[Gibby1] I try not to do that it tires me out
[kynson] ;-)
[Gibby1] have a full day at work that is
cufconline> I haven't had a tenner yet, Gibby
[Gibby1] tight gits
[paulclements] whats happened to Mathew Richards ???????????
[kynson] i am going to go to the scabby match on easter monday, i was hoping
- to get a carload.
cufconline> Lee Gardner apparently won "Face in the Crowd" one week and he
- didn't get anything off them, either
[Gibby1] Even tighter gits
[paulclements] when is the scarbrough match ???
cufconline> Easter Monday as above
[kynson] and this is the newspaper you associate yourself with, al ?-)
[paulclements] is it on a bank holiday ....if it is I might go
[kynson] yes iyt is
cufconline> I think they're just badly organized at times
[paulclements] whens easter monday
cufconline> April 5th
[paulclements] what time is the ko
[kynson] 15:00 ?
[paulclements] is it a ticket match
cufconline> I believe so
[paulclements] daft question
[paulclements] is it
[Gibby1] It'l be a lovely four hour drive for me
cufconline> No - the N & S are selling tickets at £2.50 a head I believe
[paulclements] is it tickets.....
[kynson] paul, is it easy for you to come via carlisle? if so, we could
- share from here.
[paulclements] what is N & S
cufconline> News & Star
[kynson] evening new and star
[paulclements] ah
[paulclements] I might go....I'll have a look at the map
[kynson] 32.50 a head - is that for the travel or the match?
[kynson] er, 32.50
[kynson] er £2.50
[Gibby1] Right down the A1 with a couple of turn off's
[paulclements] ah
[paulclements] how many will be going from carlisle...100 or 1000 ?
[Gibby1] 5 probably
[kynson] what about england yesterday - or should i say scholes....
[paulclements] jammy buggers
[Gibby1] good result, shame about the handball though
[kynson] tabloid headline today Paul Goals ?!
[paulclements] a touch of the old maradooona abooot the second
[Gibby1] how original
[kynson] i haven't seen or heard anything other than the result and that it
- was a hattrick
cufconline> N & S just says £2.50 package - only 100 available - I assume
- travel and match ticket
[kynson] i might go for that.
cufconline> Scholes Goals beat Poles ?
[paulclements] Jammy England Win At Last
[Gibby1] the boys a poet
[kynson] Scholes Goals knock holes in Poles??
[Gibby1] nowt jammy about it
[paulclements] same idea

[Gibby1] good one
cufconline> Sounds like the Rod Thomas allegations of a few years back
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[paulclements] Usually a new manager has some sort of effect...NP has done
- bugger all
[Gibby1] Knightons probably telling him what to do
cufconline> NP has had no money to bring in new players, just loanees really
- so far
[kynson] i will go into the options as i see them in depth on my website,
- but basically i think if we go down, we merge and go to scotland, if we stay
- up we don't
[paulclements] if we do merge with Clydebank at least we'll finally get the
- right man as manager...Ian McCall
cufconline> What MK said, was that if the league force part time football on
- lower leagues, he'll take us into Scottish League
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[Bazzz] hello
[Gibby1] Mothers boyfriend came home on friday, travelled down with a
- Hartleool fan who is adamant that they are going down this year
[kynson] hi
[paulclements] hello
[Gibby1] howdy
[Bazzz] does anybody know cypruschris's e-mail
[paulclements] the monkey hangers
cufconline> Who says McCall will be the right man? I thought NP would be the
- right man, maybe he still will be
[Gibby1] chimp chokers?
[paulclements] aye
[paulclements] nah.....
TO Bazzz> chrismc2@hotmail.com
[Bazzz] thanks
[Gibby1] Mervyn Day was the right man
[kynson] games in hand is one thing, converting them into point is another,
- so we'll just have to see what happens over the next few weeks. one thing is
- for certain, we must win our games!
[paulclements] McCall is tops.....you've got to see what he's done up here
- with f*** all cash
[StevieL] McCall has only been a manager for less than 2yrs
TO Bazzz> chrismc2@bigfoot.com (correction)
[paulclements] so
[Gibby1] We had the chance to get him
[Bazzz] thanks
[StevieL] Gordon Chisholm is the better coach
[kynson] wadsworth and day were both good men, but there was no logic behind
- dismissing day
[Gibby1] Money saving scheme for MK
[paulclements] poss....get them both
[Gibby1] Who's Gordon Chisholm?
[paulclements] McCalls assistant
[Bazzz] This clydebank thing looks like it will go ahaed mk wants it
cufconline> I wonder if Day got pissed off with MK and they had a bust-up?
- sounded like it
[Gibby1] ok
[StevieL] Clydebank Ass Manager
[kynson] anyway, i've got to dash again. al could you email the log again
- please?
[kynson] i'll catch up with you all next time
[Gibby1] I got told Merv was bonking about within the club
[kynson] bye
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TO paulclements> Ok - but I missed a but just now
TO paulclements> Sorry that was meant for Dave but he just left ;-(
[paulclements] Carlisle + Clydebank = A team called Carlisle United playing
- in Scotland....agreed
[Bazzz] yes
[Bazzz] but i don't want it
[StevieL] Possibly
[Bazzz] is rather play in the conforence
[Gibby1] Carlisle - Clydebank = A team called nothing playing nowhere?
cufconline> But if MK wants to move to Scottish league he could resign and
- move CUFC in without a merger
[Gibby1] SFA wouln't allow it
cufconline> Assuming SFA want us in, of course
[StevieL] But he would need a stadium in Scotland
[Bazzz] then we have to start in div 3
[paulclements] only is the league was to expand
[paulclements] we'll be in div 3 next season...see you there !!!!!!!!!1
cufconline> They might like a club with decent facilities and good crowds to
- join their league
[Bazzz] i know we could get in the premier league
[StevieL] I'm not sure
cufconline> English Division 3, I hope
[Bazzz] well maybe
[Gibby1] We would need a wad of cash
[Bazzz] not in scotland
cufconline> we need a Stobart-Scowcroft buy out?
[Bazzz] all the clubs apart from rangers and celtic are skint
[StevieL] Not true
[Gibby1] yep
[paulclements] i saw sumo smashed one off the post against man
- City......should have got him back
[Bazzz] I want to stay inenglish football
cufconline> Hearts supposedly lost £2m last year - when they won the Sc Cup
[Gibby1] 95 years old this year and going down?
[Bazzz] theres no money
[Bazzz] no
[StevieL] That's because they tried to compete with the Big 2 and got their
- fingers burnt
cufconline> It would be nice to reach 100 years still playing league
- football
[Gibby1] yes
[paulclements] Selling Caig, Boertien and Finney aint the way to stay in the
- league
cufconline> Which is MK's argument - if you go out and spend money you end
- up bankrupt in the long run
[Bazzz] If we can survive this season, get rid of MK I think we would be
- back up there next season
[Gibby1] Knighton out!
[Bazzz] This season came as a bit of a shock
cufconline> Palace, Portsmouth, Oxford, Luton. Man City had to cut 15
- players off their squad to stay solvent
[StevieL] Carlisle belong in the English League.
[Bazzz] whats £5,000 when caig could have stayed and ww would have had a
- better chance of staying up
[Gibby1] we probably play too good footbal for the division
[paulclements] so do berwick
cufconline> MK claims Caig wanted near Premier League wages to stay, but I
- notice Blackpool aren't exactly rolling in cash
[Gibby1] Cardiff, Swansea & Wrexham in LoW
[Bazzz] Half what MK says is rubbish
[paulclements] halh ?
[Gibby1] ALL of waht MK says is rubbish
[StevieL] Berwick are a different case due to historical reasons. They were
- playing in the SFL before FIFa introduced their new directive
[paulclements] half ?
cufconline> Caig claims no contract was ever offered him. Mind you his agent
- may have done all the dealing with MK on his behalf
[paulclements] berwick is at war with the soviet union
[Bazzz] I think that MK biggest mistake was gettin rid of Merv
[Gibby1] Agents suck
[Gibby1] I agree
cufconline> When Caig signed his previous contract, his grandfather acted as
- his agent!
[StevieL] Agent have messed up the game for smaller clubs since the Bosman
- ruling
[paulclements] I think his biggest mistake was replacing Merv with himself
[Gibby1] Definately
cufconline> That's the asset-stripping argument. That MK wanted control of
- the club without a manager getting in the way so he could flog players
- unhindered
[Bazzz] It worked for a period last year when we first got Nick wright and
- antony but then went very wrong
[Bazzz] yeah i agree
[Gibby1] Maybe Peter Beardsley could buy us?
cufconline> Wright might have stayed had we beaten the drop
[Bazzz] yeah the massiah
[Bazzz] he would
[Bazzz] look at smart as well
[paulclements] beardo would need to long too think about it
cufconline> Actually, in a few years time players will probably start buying
- up clubs - look at the money they're on
[Bazzz] we had a first division quality partnership
[StevieL] You've not dropped out the league yet. Hartlepool and Scarbrough
- are also in a precarious position
[Bazzz] and now we have no strikers at all
cufconline> Look at Dalglish trying to buy Celtic
[Gibby1] Why does Knighton let players go out of contract, why not re-sign
- them when the team is doing well, they might stay then.
[paulclements] aye but the borough are winning matches...we aint
[Gibby1] Backers got fined £40m
[Bazzz] We have to win at boro on monday
[paulclements] Scarborough v Carlisle....biggest match in CUFC history
[Bazzz] What offer the news and star doing fior it
cufconline> What we have now is a very young squad and only a handful
- (mainly the young lads) on long contracts
[Gibby1] that's no good
cufconline> The idea being that you tie up your good young prospects until
- they're 23 and can then sell them for a big fee before they become Bosman
- players
[paulclements] Gibby man...you said it would take you 4 hrs to get to
- Scabby....where are you coming from ?
[Gibby1] Methil
[paulclements] ah
[Bazzz] my mum sent me the news and star with the bit about united we stand
- from last tuesday so i am coming home for the Torquay game
[Bazzz] bet there won't be that many there
cufconline> Good! we need all the support we can get - hopefully over 3,000
- at leasst
[Bazzz] yeah
[paulclements] Al....Are you going the borough match
[Bazzz] I was at darlo on tues as well the relief when finny scored
cufconline> When you think of how many would come if we we're near the top
- of the league = 6,000 plus
[Bazzz] well a few years back it was around 8,000
[Gibby1] possibly 8 or 9
[paulclements] 12000 v bury
cufconline> I won't be at Boro. But might be able to do a commentary
cufconline> The feel good factor needs to return somehow
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[Gibby1] i would feel good if Knighton left
[Bazzz] How can u commontate off BBc cumbria lacey is absolutly rubbish
cufconline> Whatever it takes - we need somebody to come in and buy the club
- or the fans to buy it
[StevieL] So would we Clydebank fans
[Bazzz] Knighton offered it to the fans before
cufconline> Lacey is not John Motson, true
[Gibby1] So you're a Bankie?
[StevieL] Yes. Committe memeber of the supporters
[Bazzz] well he hasn't got a clue
[Gibby1] How do your lot feel about this then?
[Gibby1] Same as us?
cufconline> Commentaries have not been same since Nick barnes left
[Bazzz] a sheep would commontate better
[StevieL] We're totally  against it
[Gibby1] cool
cufconline> How much would it take to buy control of Clydebank? £1?
[Bazzz] agreed
[Bazzz] 1p
[StevieL] We will cause disturbances at games again if it is pursued
[Gibby1] they would pay you
cufconline> A report said CUFC was only worth a fiver, I think
[Bazzz] I think we should protest
[Gibby1] That does nobody any good.
[StevieL] We have tried to take control it is not for sale
cufconline> Any club is always for sale if the price is right
[StevieL] It works. It stopped us going to Dubliun and highlighted the cause
- in the media
[Bazzz] Wonder what cufc is available for
[Gibby1] Do you think that the SFA would like our lovely psycho
- supporters/Thugs? in
[Bazzz] not what its worth for sure
[Bazzz] they already have enough
cufconline> Unfortunately, MK paid out £1m to buy control so he might want
- his money back at least to sell it
[Bazzz] anyway most have stopped going
[StevieL] They already have the worst in the world here due to sectarian
- bigotry in the Old Firm
cufconline> Or he might be cashing in on players+property and ready to sell
- at knock-down price?
[Gibby1] not a patch on our lot when they get going
[Bazzz] yeah
cufconline> Hooligan :-)
[Gibby1] who?
[StevieL] Don't believe it. There are no go areas all over the West of
- Scotland
[Bazzz] There would be trouble every game the english vs the  scotts
cufconline> Swansea fans have worst reputation in Div 3 - no CUFC fans go
- there (well, 40 did this season)
[Bazzz] are they that bad
[Gibby1] What, was Paul Dodd one of them - arsehole that he is
[StevieL] That's not the way we feel about the English
[Bazzz] mmmmm
cufconline> I think the prospect of Rangers + Celtic coming south for a "day
- out" in Carlisle would terrify many..
[Bazzz] they would take over the ground
cufconline> as a closed doors friendly this season v. 'gers suggests
[Gibby1] The majority of Old Firm fans are ok
[StevieL] It can be extremely intimidating when the Old Firm morons come to
- town
[Bazzz] go down to england for a few drinks and a fight
[Gibby1] Hey now
cufconline> Just a few bigoted individuals, according to celtic fans I see
- posting messages on Usenet
[StevieL] The Old Firm fans are in the majority mindless bigots
[Gibby1] Now then
[Bazzz] anyway we should leave this holigan subject
cufconline> However, there's often a flame war between Celtic-Rangers over
- Celtic's "history"
[StevieL] That's just a cover for Celtic since McCann has his pet Bhoys
- against Bigotry project. If it wasn't a problem then why the campaign
[Bazzz] Whats the new keeper like?
[Gibby1] shite probably
[Bazzz] did knight or heritage play
[Gibby1] knight
cufconline> There's a problem at most clubs with some form of bigotry, but
- normally a small minority
cufconline> We've got two dicks in the team, now
[Gibby1] no 11
[Bazzz] who
[Gibby1] and one in the stand
cufconline> Let's hope they stiffen up the squad..
[Gibby1] viagra united?
cufconline> We definitely need more power up front
[Gibby1] oooer
[Bazzz] What do you all think of BNigel Pearson?
[Gibby1] Waste of space
[Bazzz] really
[StevieL] Scott Dobie was a really poor player at Clydebank
[Gibby1] Poor player in a poor team
[Bazzz] sometimes good players struggle in bad leagues
[Bazzz] not saying dobie is good though
cufconline> Dobie's looked okay since he came back for CUFC
[StevieL] Then why do some of your supporters want to play in the SFL then
[Bazzz] he just better then the rest
[Gibby1] They're sick in the head
[Bazzz] we don't
cufconline> The ones who want to play in SFL seemingly are all scottish
[StevieL] Look at your poll. It suggests 20% do want it
cufconline> we have a good number of scottish fans - about 20% is possible
[Bazzz] I would still supporty the blues but i would be veryy dissappointed
[Gibby1] 20% + 80% = 100%
[Bazzz] 1 in 4
[Bazzz] 1 in 5
cufconline> Actually 1 in 5
[Gibby1] Garlands CUFC Supportes club?
[StevieL] That is probably enough to give Knighton a mandate
[Bazzz] i know hit the wrong key
cufconline> If I asked if we should move to Wales I might get the same
- result..
[Gibby1] Yes there's more sheep there
[StevieL] But you are unlikely to move to Wales
cufconline> In fact I think it was only 15%
[Bazzz] anyway i am playing footballl in 15mins so i better go
cufconline> It was 22 people out of 143
[Gibby1] why, we want sheep
[Gibby1] baaaaaahhhhhhhhhh
[StevieL] Face the facts. Knighton  will do what he wants despite supporters
cufconline> I am sure this debate will run and run, time to go I think
[Gibby1] whens next commentary?
cufconline> This Sat. if somebody volunteers to do it
[Bazzz] KEEP THE BLUE FLAG FLYING, HE MAY TAKE OUR DIVISION BUT HE WILL
- NEVER TAKE OUR FREEDOM
[Gibby1] BLUE ARMY
[Bazzz] oh no soundin scottish alredy
cufconline> Possibly Roger Porthouse - but I'd be happier to see everybody
- from the list actually at t he game
[Gibby1] good one
[Bazzz] bye
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[StevieL] Mel Gibson never sounded Scottish!!!
cufconline> Cheerio! Time to stand up and be counted!
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